Wednesday, February 11, 2009

Here's an interesting idea.

I could be a real jerk and just say "discuss," but let's consider this for a second.

On the one hand, there's the argument (made by libertarians, conservatives, etc) that the government has no right to do this. It's meddling beyond its acceptable limits. Sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, making us suffer under a socialist form of taxation in which those working hard and making the most are being penalized at the expense of everyone else.

And Yet:
As has been discussed rather extensively here, these guys aren't exactly Rhodes Scholars, or even of average intelligence. They ran their frickin companies into the ground. They don't appear to be especially bright, or concerned with the companies they run, or especially hard-working, either. It's about easy money, not long-term profits gained through toil. They made their money by being lucky idiots. So I don't buy the last third of argument #1.

At the same time, there are definitely sonme merits to that first position. Bailouts are arguably unconstitutional, as is any attempts by the federal government to regulate how much a corporation pays its CEOs and other top executives. Congress does not in fact have that power, nor does the Executive branch. And Lessig may be right about those being capped jump ship to other, unrestricted companies.

The question becomes, is it OK for the government to impose caps on corporate salaries? Ron Paul would argue that it's not only unconstitutional (because gov't isn't allowed to meddle like this, including bailouts) but also immoral. That's where, from my perspective, the water gets murky. Is it immoral to tell someone that they need to use federal bailout money for the purpose it was granted--i.e., fixing the system--rather than lining their own pockets with big celebratory bonuses? We could argue about whether or not the bailout is OK in the first place, but that's not what I'm after right here and now. The question right now is, are the proposed salary/bonus caps acceptable, or should the government not set such limits on its bailout cash?

What I find particularly interesting about this is the proposal mentioned in the first link, or rather, its source. this is an idea brought forth by a company executive. I always find myself pausing when I hear someone making massive amounts of money per year saying "take more of my income in taxes, please." Mostly, it is out of admiration. Here, as I see it, is someone expressing the root of what it means to be patriotic. Here is a person able to see beyond themselves, to so believe in the interconnectedness of every American citizen that they recognize their duty, as a successful individual, to help those around them. This is a person who recognizes that a country's greatness stems not from the wealth and prestige of single citizens, but the collective health, wealth, and happiness of its citizens.

To which Paul would say, sure--let HIM pay higher taxes if he wants to. Why should anyone else have to? It's a pointed question, but one that I think many of us, if we really considered it, might see this as a slap in the face of the concept of America as a nation. If the individual and her personal desires are to be supreme over all other considerations, then what we have is not a coherent nation. We have a bunch of individuals. Good, bad, indifferent, passionate, what have you, we have individuals. Over the last several decades, Americans have been increasingly encouraged to see themselves that way, and while it is important to maintain a view of oneself that is NOT simply a number, a member of the faceless mass, it is also necessary to remember the consequences of taking this idea too far. If, in the end, each of us is simply ourself, purely an individual, then we lose the ability to come together as a group, to make positive change. It's a process that a number of theorists--Erik Swyngedouw, in particular--have noted in the field of labor relations and industry, and which has likewise permeated our culture.

What fascinates me about Ron Paul's book The Revolution is that it proposes to increase the pressures toward this individual-centrism, making all taxes voluntary, allowing each person to decide for themselves whether or not they will give money to the government that ultimately has a responsibility to protect them from outside aggression, police their streets, and possibly perform other responsibilities that, while not spelled out in the Constitution, ought to be. Things that these individuals would not want to be responsible for doing themselves. Yet Paul argues that in such a society, more people would voluntarily stretch beyond themselves, take care of their neighbors, participate in their communities, and the like. I'm not sure I buy it. Seems to me that this sort of thing would only encourage the "but it's about me" mentality, not combat it.

People need to be retaught that being a citizen of a country is not merely a convenience for them, or a right. Privilege is privilege, and with it must come both the recognition of having it, and also the acknowledgement that privilege comes of necessity with responsibility. We must relearn to see ourselves as citizens of the nation, as parts of something larger than ourselves.

The question I then have to ask myself is, how do we accomplish this without turning totalitarian fascist?

2 comments:

chickadeescout said...

Just skimmed the link -- and I think that that guy is more than welcome to donate half his salary to the government if he feels like it, but I don't think that I would feel "good" about (as he suggests) knowing that 1/2 of some CEO's ridiculous salary is being taxed. Mostly because taxes don't all go to things I support.

And as someone who grew up in a household (and now, due to inheriting money from my dad, find myself in a similar position) that was always "too poor to be rich, too rich to be poor," I'm frustrated with the way our taxes work. Namely, most of my dad's retirement money would have gone straight to the government (and hence to funding our overblown, poorly managed military, public schools in all their benefits -- and ills -- etc) if Silver and I had been legally married. (Been learning some about how tax brackets work). And while my dad's retirement contributions were pre-tax dollars, it still makes my blood boil that I owe the government any of that. It counts as "earnings," and if Silver and I were filing jointly, it would have bumped us way up into a higher tax bracket.

And what did we use that money for? Paying off our student loans. That's all.

Here is a person able to see beyond themselves, to so believe in the interconnectedness of every American citizen that they recognize their duty, as a successful individual, to help those around them.
I don't agree -- if he really wanted to pay taxes because of the overwhelming goodness of his heart and his feeling of duty to his fellow citizens, he would be better off using that money to help people more directly. Give to Kiva, or ModestNeeds, or the Whole Planet foundation, or any one of a number of places that have things going straight to the individual. And, like lots of big businesses, our government is ailing financially largely because of poor management. I'd be afraid to find out how much of our taxes -- even if they are going to the very best purposes -- are eaten up in bureaucracy and (extraneous) administrative costs.


Yet Paul argues that in such a society, more people would voluntarily stretch beyond themselves, take care of their neighbors, participate in their communities, and the like. I'm not sure I buy it. Seems to me that this sort of thing would only encourage the "but it's about me" mentality, not combat it.

Well, that (the first part) is the ideal. And I think people do tend to be less generous when there's a perceived "safety net" -- like, "Oh, they'll be okay, they can just go to their WIC/Medicaid/etc office" -- in other words, not my responsibility!

I've been trying really hard to follow my own ideals in this respect and help people out (financially or otherwise) when I know I can, since that's how I believe communities should work. It is hard, since people (myself included) are naturally selfish. But I've seen way too many people who work the system, and way too many people who need help who aren't getting it because they don't fit the right criteria for the system (one friend, for example, who can't work because she has MS, has been rejected for benefits repeatedly).

Another thing, for me personally anyway, is that if you're dealing with individuals, you can better make the choice not to be an enabler. If you're giving money to a third party that then decides how to dole out funds, you could be supporting something you really, really don't want to (and often hurt the person being enabled). It's sometimes hard even on an individual level to make that distinction and that decision -- i.e., Should I help so-and-so pay for heat this winter, who can't pay for it because she blew her settlement money on a vacation for her and her kids? -- but nowhere near as hard as it is in bureaucracies where people get aid based on more quantifiable information.

Snyrt said...

I agree with just about everything you say here, Hop (can I call you Hop?). But I think the perspective that an individual's taxes should only fund things that individual supports has several flaws. First, I personally believe that, while there are severe problems with both the tax and the entitlement program systems in this country, that does not negate the importance or value of having such prgorams in place. It means they needs to be made better, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't pay taxes or have entitlement programs. Not everything the federal government does is inherently bad (as Bobby Jindal, governor of Louisiana, appears to think--did you see his speech last week?). The system can be fixed, and should be fixed, without necessarily scrapping it altogether.
But the bigger issue that I have with this is that the idea that "my taxes should only fund things I support" ignores something very basic to the American tradition. Democracy, after all, is not solely about having choice. It is also fundamentally about being willing to live in a society built on the wishes and needs of the majority, whatever those wishes and needs may be. It is about respecting the democratic processes enough to say "you know, this really pisses me off that everybody wants this, but I guess I have to live with it." It seems to me that this belief in majority-rules democracy stands in direct opposition to the idea of "my money goes only where I want it to". Faith in the democratic processes of decision-making requires faith in people to make a collective choice that is the right choice, and a faith in the power and importance of communities. Rampant individualism, which says my money is my money 100%, denies that faith. Further, it suggests a certain contempt for the nation-state as a form of government, denying the federal government any right to function at all. It makes the nearly solipsistic statement, "there is nothing greater than my individual self." Yet how many of these extreme believers in themselves would actually want to live in a country this size that lacked a military, or numerous other benefits of living in a country? Although this country's founders sought to eliminate unfair, heavy taxes such as they had suffered under Britain, they did not reject taxation altogether. They understood the necessity of taxes as the source of government revenue. It has always been understood, as part of maintaining the nation-state, that the citizens of any country must pay taxes to support the government. It is the only way to keep governments, whether federal or state, from becoming insolvent. Of course, the federal government today is insolvent, but that comes from spending more than they take in. It certainly shouldn't serve as rationale for reducing their revenues further.
So, yeah, this was long-winded, but my point was that while there are definitely serious, serious problems with the current tax law that need to be rememdied, I reject the argument that one's taxes should only pay for programs one supports. That isn't what democracy is about, and if we care about democracy in this country at all any more, then we need to seriously consider the directions that our political culture is headed. Extreme individualism only serves to exacerbate the problem. Actually, I think when I get the chance I'll write a longer post on the subject, since it deserves more detailed discussion that I'm giving it here...